Discussion in 'News & Announcements' started by RaZa, Apr 16, 2012.
@Nixoll dont start getting involved rosie. Next minute you will bring up your acheivements. Oh wait!
There's always 3 sides to a story which in this case is the truth, mak's side and ww's side. Seems like those trying to comment on the situation are ill-informed, so why are people so quick to pass judgement? Anyone would of taken up the offer dominance received, and it looks like wW respects that but I do think alot of people in this community need to start treating orgs with a little more respect and in this case, dominance should've initially been more grateful on their departure for the support wW gave them.
For those who seem to be hating on this move, I can only see as being jealous. With players so accustomed to receiving funding from orgs these days, money will always be a massive factor until gaming primarily becomes less of a past time. Players are just trying to make the most from the scene so until that day comes where players are able obtain a stable amount of income to potentially make a living from, I can't see loyalty playing a big part in players' outlook on organisations if a far greater financial offer is proposed to that player.
I don't understand organisations who complain about the stability of teams in our scene either, if they done minimal research they'd know that the lifespan of teams is very short in most cases, so why bother to enter the scene in the first place. This is not an indirect rant at wW but for all organisations - the comical thing is for the most part they always end up returning.
Comparisons between pc/console players are always made in how the pc players players treat organisations with far more respect but that's because the majority of players in their scene are aged 20+. When a decent pc rig costs about £500+ and then you can pickup an xbox for £100 or less, it's a far more viable option for teenagers/those not in employment due to education to purchase a console hence the spike of maturity in the console/cod scene.
if dan,lostcause,positive,south,devilz all played this game or any other cod every night and actually practised they would walk into any top3 team.
u live in a dream land, you attneded lans with 4 teams, last week we held the worlds largest call of duty tournement ever on any platform, if you for one second thought that competition has gone down hill since 5 v 5 snd then youre sadly mistaken, most of the top players have treid coming back but not succceded, when you played cod there was two good teams there are now 8 top teams and 22 good teams, why you feel the need to come on decerto and slag mak off im not really sure, last event i remember you attending properly, me and mak knocked you gunshi necrome and xlnc out in 6th place, how you lost a lan with gunshi and xlnc on cod4 i will never know, scott has won egl 1,3,4 and finished 2nd and 3 rd at the other two, he might not be the entertaining player but when it comes to lan he gets the job done, better than anyone else, lan has come along way since you played, im not discrediting the players that played in the past as i know there was some skillfull players and im sure lan was competitive but it has grown so much as have the players and the skill level, you need to seriously think before posting and look back at some of the utter shit you have said previous,
and a few other vet's to mention but that is a FACT.
Brilliantly said mate. The PC scene orgs defo get a lot more respect due to the high nature of most of the top players on the scene are mature and have mortgages etc. earning money from gaming is what excuses them for gaming instead of gettin hit on the back of the head with a frying pan from the other half. (iv'e been on that receiving end)
When i was with Reason Gaming for CS.1 and TF1, i was by far the youngest player at a top level back then and it took a hell of a lot of persuasion from team members and myself to the managers of the org to accept me as mature gamers is what they look for. The age gap was between 8-9years at that time for me. There is a lot less bitching and a lot more loyalty between mature gamers which builds solid foundations for a great team.
Since coming back on the console scene again and getting involved in pickups/scrims etc. The volume of kids competing on this game is unbelievable. And all they do is whine at each other and complain more, rather than sitting down and discussing what went wrong ,what went right, what can be improved on etc etc
not at all, and bringing up a event like ecl which i ran is crazy, i played maybe afew hours every other night before that event. we should of won the event with ease as we dominated all the teams we played on domo but we still lost. jack b going 3-27 and still winning shows how much we messed up.
Also if you seriously think Posi, Dan, South, Lostcause have tried to come back and play at the level they once did when exactly was this. when south made a come back he played about 3 hours a week which is not going to compete with the 6 hours a night most top players play. nobody has tried to make a serious comeback and put effort into a game they once dominated at. players like south dont go from being the best player in europe to being shit. if you stop playing and practising you cant compete. its that simple. and you say that there are more top players yet the players around when we domainated are still playing and are the ones still winning the events so i cant see how you can say the level has gone up.
Considering that, that team was made very quickly pre-lan and never built any good chemistry together excuses it really. I'm not hating you mate or stiring up. Just pointing out that you can't just throw a mix of the best players around the scene together and expect them to do very well. History has taught us that much.
I havn't read any of Rumsey's previous posts here, but as for the one you just quoted, he's just stating that if South Posi U4EA and other top vets were to return and smash the crap out of the game like they used to then they would'nt even have to try get in a top team. They would be a new top team to compete against. But i will agree with you that there are a lot more better teams today than there was on cod4 and Rumsey's top 3 is optimistic but not unrealistic too.
Players develop themselves and get better. Obviously when you compete at top level and keep competing (like you said, you have to put the time in) you'll most probably stay there because you already have the smarts, all you have to do is keep your gun skill etc up to par, that's why players like XLNC are still playing for the top spots nowadays. But a player like Mak also kept playing with the top teams and got better and better and that's why he is where is he now. It's not like he'll always stay the player you once played with.
makes alot of sense, just hard to see past my own experiences but as you said that was a long time ago and things change, good post
I think what a lot of players forget is that if it wasn't for the past top players and vets of this game and scene, then the scene you are a part of now wouldn't be where it is.
A little respect for these people and taking their views and opinions into consideration will go a long way rather than jumping to quick conclusions that they don't compete on the scene any more "so why should their opinion matter?"
ill start with this amazing post then move on to the next one, they snaked our player two weekd before lan (necrome) they had been a team since i dont know when before that, all of them players are top quality players and i have no doubt in the world that if they came back one or two of them would be in a top team, but not all of them, my point against rumsey was his hatred for mak being in a top team and teeling me a 4 team lan is more competitve than a 120 team one
i dont have little respect for any of them, doped taught me more than anyone in gaming, i used to look up to most of these top players, gunshi is still the best lan player i have ever played with.
when did i ever state a 4 team lan is more competetive than a 120 team lan, i simply stated about players not teams. if the players are winning lan events who were around when i played then i stated it shows the competition and players obviously have not got better as the same players are still winning. just because more teams attend does not mean the skill level goes up
sounds like an excuse, to why you didnt win, you snaked our player with two weeks notice and we beat you, the event wasnt well ran but we beat yu 2-1 i think swannys team did aswell, the event had nothing to do with these results, i didnt anywhere say that south or any other top player became shit, my team plays 3-4 days a week and 3-4 hour sessions when we play, my arguement has always been its miles more competitve now than it was back then and was unclear of why you was slagging mak off, which players played when you did that are still at the top now i can think of three
the skill level has gone up miles gunshi and nick have adapted, they are two of the best players to play any cod, just because there still at the top doesnt mean that everyone else hasnt got better, there is three players who played now to when you played out of 40 players, skill level has gone up miles
Fair point lad. As i stated i wasn't flaming you or anything mush.
Mak has been playing for a very long time now, further back than when i played with him in his embarrassing ps3 days with BsE. But when he seen sense and moved to 360, he got involved with a lot of good players and big teams and has consistently maintained that throughout his eSports career. To sum it up if you keep playing with the best and learn from everything around you it will make you a great player in some cases. No offence to Mak as he has always been a good player in my eye, but you have to account this for players like Drama for instance.
I had him in my team and he was our 6th on cod4, very average shot and ok'ish skills and strats. But once we gave him a good shot in one of the MB360 online tournys he developed a lot better by getting a chance to play against top teams and players and he eventually joined Rumsey and co @Dignitas.
I think that 4v4 has been a huge step in the community and eSports scene as when it changed from 5v5 it left a lot of good players looking for a team or creating one's, which has helped develop the volume of top teams around these days.
5v5 created a gaming atmosphere where you could take your time and communicate around a map better.
4v4 has created a faster more intense scene and requires a little more strategy than 5v5. (depending on gametype)
Sowers, Gunshi, Blackk, Pacino, Xlnc, Mak, Swanny,Wonder,Drama,Daredevil,Tapout,Bissel,Pascoe, Riddlez to name afew
out off all them people playing there best when you was round was. pacino gunshi xlnc drama, the rest only came good well after
Rumsey shut the fuck up.
Swear all this I'm an old player so I was so much better than you shite is laughable.
I agree if they returned they would probably do well if the practiced hard like everyone else. Why not, but its the exact same for new players. If they practice with their team try hard, they will do well.
wtf are you on about. your a joke nothing more. you made a complete tit out of yourself at the last event you attended and just made everyone else realise what i already knew - your simply a retard!
and when or where did i state i am an old player so i was so much better than you?
your so slow and dumb its not even a fair arguement. run along and go wank over finishing 4th
playing there best? if they were playing at a competetive level which all of those listed were back then why does it matter if they were shit? infact it only helps my arguement that the skill level has not increased if they are the ones at the top of the pile now.
i am far from stating that is the case by the way i was simply saying that players who dominated when i played could and would compete if they played today and naming thos players backs that up as they were around and competing.
And if my grandmother had balls, we'd call her Grandpa....
You talk as if players get to a certain level and then never progress. Obviously players will improve. You also seem to overlook the players who you used to play with who have quit due to loss of form, should I say. Obviously the scene has improved, you don't know even half the players in the top 20 teams at the moment, ontop of the fact there is a whole bunch of breakthrough players and teams challenging for top placements. When hundreds and hundreds more players come into the community, the individual skill and teamwork is always going to increase as teams push each other to be the best.
Yet again, you seem to fail to recognise that the scene has changed, it takes hours of preperation to create a team capable of winning a LAN as big as EGL; you can't just turn up on expect natural individuals' excellence to carry you through.
At the end of the day, you will never prove your point, as you won't be able to find 4 'veterans' to come and show us all how it is done. Realistically anyone who plays now knows they would be too far off the pace and would take months to catch up; before realising that they aren't the only good ones any more.
Why does this keep happening...?
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